Hey @lionlion44, Thank you for reaching out to us. We cannot provide support on third party libraries (Octane). But, yes, in general you are on the right track. We have this C++ example, which I loosely translated to Python. The thing to do which you are missing, is to check if such VP already exists, as you otherwise can land in a world of hurt. For everything else, you would have to talk with the Octane devs (of which some are here on this forum), if there are any special further steps to be taken for Octane. Cheers, Ferdinand """Provides an example for generically setting a render engine in Cinema 4D. Note that there is no guarantee that every render engine has a video post node, and when it has one, that it uses the same ID as the render engine. But it is highly conventional to implement a render engine like this. Derived from the C++ Example "Set Render Engine to Redshift": https://developers.maxon.net/docs/cpp/2023_2/page_manual_redshift_rendrer.html """ import c4d import mxutils doc: c4d.documents.BaseDocument # The active Cinema 4D document. def SetRenderEngine(doc: c4d.documents.BaseDocument, newEngineId: int, createsVideoPostNode: bool) -> bool: """Sets the render engine of the given document to the specified ID. """ # Make sure we are on the main thread, as we plan to modify the document and ensure that our # inputs are what we think they are. if not c4d.threading.GeIsMainThread(): raise RuntimeError("SetRenderEngine must be called from the main thread.") mxutils.CheckType(doc, c4d.documents.BaseDocument) mxutils.CheckType(newEngineId, int) mxutils.CheckType(createsVideoPostNode, bool) # Get the currently active render engine ID and get out if it matches the new one. renderData: c4d.documents.RenderData = doc.GetActiveRenderData() currentEngineId: int = renderData[c4d.RDATA_RENDERENGINE] if currentEngineId == newEngineId: print(f"Render engine {newEngineId} is already set, no changes made.") return True # Try to find a video post with the render engine ID. There is no absolute guarantee that every # render engine either has a video post node or that is gives it the same ID as the render # engine (but it is strongly conventional). if createsVideoPostNode: # Try to find an already existing video post node with the render engine ID. node: c4d.documents.BaseVideoPost | None = renderData.GetFirstVideoPost() while node: if node.GetType() == newEngineId: break node = node.GetNext() # There is no video post for the render engine, so we try to a new create one. if not node: try: node: c4d.documents.BaseVideoPost = c4d.documents.BaseVideoPost(newEngineId) renderData.InsertVideoPost(node) except Exception as e: raise RuntimeError(f"Failed to create video post node for render engine {newEngineId} ({e}).") # Finally, we set the render engine ID in the render data. renderData[c4d.RDATA_RENDERENGINE] = newEngineId return True def main() -> None: """Called by Cinema 4D to run the script. """ # Setting the standard render engine, here we do not have to create a video post node, since # the standard renderer is one of the rare cases that does not have a dedicated video post. SetRenderEngine(doc, newEngineId=c4d.RDATA_RENDERENGINE_STANDARD, createsVideoPostNode=False) # Set Redshift as the render engine, which does have a video post node. SetRenderEngine(doc, newEngineId=c4d.VPrsrenderer, createsVideoPostNode=True) # Push an update event. c4d.EventAdd() if __name__ == "__main__": main()

Hey @shir, Thank you for reaching out to us. A Program Database (PDB) is a debug information format from Microsoft. It is comparable to the DWARF debug information format often used under Linux and macOS. However, unlike DWARF under Linux, where debug information is directly compiled into the binary, Microsoft chooses to store debug information in separate files, the pdb files. When you attach a debugger to a binary without any debug information, it will by default only see the machine code of the binary. So when you have an issue and the debugger puts out a stack trace, it will only show you the offsets in a library, e.g., something like this: #1 0x0000000000767576 in myBinary.dll #2 0x0000000000767df4 in otherBinary.dll #3 0x0000000000773aca in myBinary.dll #4 0x00000000004b893e in myBinary.dll You can see this happen in the call stack window in your screenshot. VS only provides information in the format someBinary.ext!someAddress(), e.g., c4d_base.xdl64!00007ffb200acfb7(), as it has no further information. With bin!address() VS means a function at that address is being called. In my opinion, VS has one of the most cryptic stack trace formats out there and can be a bit confusing for beginners. To see meaningful output, you need the debug information for that binary, which among other things contains the mapping of addresses to source code. If you have the pdb file for the binary, you can load it into your debugger, and it will then show you something like this instead: #1 0x0000000000767576 in MyClass::MyMethod() at myClass.cpp:42 #2 0x0000000000767df4 in OtherClass::OtherMethod() at otherClass.cpp:15 #3 0x0000000000773aca in MyClass::AnotherMethod() at myClass.cpp:78 #4 0x00000000004b893e in main() at main.cpp:10 When you compile the Cinema 4D SDK and your source code, it will automatically generate the pdb files for these binaries for you, so that you can debug them in a meaningful manner. But what we see here is Visual Studio asking you for the pdb for c4d_base.xdl64, one of the core library binaries located in the corelibs folder of the Cinema 4D application you are debugging with. You did not compile that binary, so you do not have the pdb file for it. And we do not ship our binaries with debug information, as that would not only be a very large download, but also would expose our source code to the public. You are hitting a debug stop there (VS tells you that in the info box by stating this is a __debugbreak). This is the less critical case of a debug event, which is covered by the very tutorial you are following (the other one being a critical stop). You can simply hit continue in your debugger and ignore this. The event seems to be raised from Redshift, judging by the stack trace we can see in the screenshot you provided. There is probably some minor hardware issue or so, and Redshift is trying to handle it gracefully by raising this debug event. It is, however, not normal when this happens permanently and usually it hints at a corrupted installation of Cinema 4D or a hardware issue when you are always greeted by debug events on startup (or even when just running and interacting with Cinema 4D). Sometimes debug stops can happen as a one-time thing when you are debugging for the first time against some Cinema 4D instance (and it has not yet built all its prefs, caches, and other things Cinema 4D builds in the background). When this persists and you are annoyed by having to press continue, I would recommend trying to either remove Redshift from your Cinema 4D installation or reinstall Cinema 4D altogether. You could also check inside of Cinema 4D if you can see any errors in the 'Redshift Feedback Display' window. For you as a third party, it is however not possible to find out what that issue in c4d_base.xdl64 at the offset 7ffb200acfb7 is. Cheers, Ferdinand PS: There is also g_enableDebugBreak=true|false which you can pass to your Cinema 4D instance as a commandline argument. With that you can permanently mute debug stops. But that is more of an expert feature and you probably do not want to enable that as a beginner.

Hey @shir, good to hear that you solved the issue. Maybe NodeBB has an issue with the specific (top level) domain your mail handle was under? I just checked the logs and this is the event for the second registration mail that has been sent out (I edited your mail handle for privacy reasons). I.e., this is the one I manually invoked. There is another event for your actual registration. As far as NodeBB is concerned, it seems to be convinced that it successfully sent these mails. { "confirm_code": "dbcc0d6c-8646-4191-9975-badc1c7035f2", "email": "[email protected]", "subject": "Welcome to PluginCafé", "template": "welcome", "timestamp": 1751883962965 } NodeBB can be a bit buggy from time to time but that it fails to send a mail and then creates an event for successfully sending it, would be a bit odd. I will have an eye on this. Cheers, Ferdinand

Hey @ECHekman, I sense there is some frustration, but I am not sure telling us how bad our API is will get us anywhere. Yes, the Nodes API ist not trivial, but you are only on the using part (which is not that hard to understand) not the implementation part (which is the trickly one). There are multiple render engine vendors who took that hurdle. I already answered your questions, and as always you will not see source code from us, unless you give us executable code in the first place upon which we can build, or we deem a subject new. I often bend these rules a bit where it makes sense to meet our customers and third parties halfway. But you cannot just throw a snippet at us and then expect us to invent everything around it and then fix that for you. Executable code makes a difference as lined out in our support procedures. My hunch would be that your getConnectedNode does not work because you do not check if your nodes are valid. You can get the value of a port with GetPortValue or GetEffectivePortValue. What you are doing with GetValue and EffectivePortValue is the old way but will still work. // Redshift expresses a lot of its enums as strings and not as ints (did not check if that is here the case). const String value = myPort.GetEffectivePortValue<String>().GetOrDefault() iferr_return; And as lined out before, what your function is trying to do, can likely be done via GraphModelHelper too, e.g., with GraphModelHelper::GetDirectPredecessors. An alternative and more manual approach would be using GraphNode.GetInnerNodes and GraphNode.GetConnections. And as always, I am not really looking for a discussion about what you or I would consider a good API. I am telling you that you will be in a world of hurt when you terminate your errors everywhere as you did in your code. Your code will then just silently fail without you knowing why. So, I gave you an example on how to use our error handling. Cheers, Ferdinand

Could you provide an snipped where you show how to cache it in a plugin?

@ferdinand Thanks for detailed explanation. Let me introduce the goals that the custom deformer plugin wants to achieve. (As can be seen from the cube, cube. 1, cube. 2... in the image, each object has a weight tag.) The custom deformer plugin needs to preprocess and store some data before the ModifyObjects () function works. (By clicking a button) Access the weight tag of each object to be deformed in Message (), preprocess and store some data, and then use the preprocessed data to execute the ModifyObjects () function to correctly process the deformation calculation. [image: 1751680146980-9c418a15-9d3c-4466-83c2-0481e7b67c69-image.png] In C4D, it seems that the Surface deformer has achieved a similar function [image: 1751680414378-5ef7303f-0ea2-4d3b-bed4-c342a755350c-image.png] (there are certain benefits to restricting the custom deformer plugin only to the parent level, as there is no need to spend effort on correctly linking the corresponding preprocessed data when the ModifyObjects () function works.But it did break the general logic operation of the deformer) The only way you could do that is by checking each deformed object being passed into , to be the parent of the also passed in (i.e., the deformer also simply accessible via ). Only for an which is the parent of would you then carry out the modification.

Works! Thank you!

Hello @Kantronin, Thank you for reaching out to us. Your script does not work because it does not follow the conditions of MCOMMAND_JOIN. Joins the objects that are parented to the passed null object. Passing multiple objects into SMC will not join them. edit: Moved this into the correct forum and added a small example. Cheers, Ferdinand Here is how I would write that in modern Cinema 4D. I have seen that your screenshot is from an older version such as S26, or even older, but I cannot write code examples for such old versions. There are multiple things that wont work in such old version such as type hinting and the mxutils lib, but you will be able to copy the general approach - move everything under a null while preserving the transforms. Code """Demonstrates how to join all objects in a document. """ import c4d import mxutils doc: c4d.documents.BaseDocument # The currently active document. op: c4d.BaseObject | None # The primary selected object in `doc`. Can be `None`. def main() -> None: """Called by Cinema 4D when the script is being executed. """ # There is no super good way to do this in the manner you implied, joining everything in a # document. I clone here the whole document, which is not the cheapest operation (but also # not as expensive as it may sound like). When we do not have to join everything, it is better # just to clone the things you want to join. En even better way could be to not clone anything # and instead use undos to revert the transform and hierarchy changes we have to make. temp: c4d.documents.BaseDocument = doc.GetClone(c4d.COPYFLAGS_NONE) firstObject: c4d.BaseObject | None = temp.GetFirstObject() if firstObject is None: c4d.gui.MessageDialog("No object selected.") return # Get all objects in the document, and move them under a null object. We must record and # restore their global matrices, when we deconstruct the scene and move it all under one null # object. allObjects: list[c4d.BaseObject] = list(mxutils.IterateTree(firstObject, True)) null: c4d.BaseObject = mxutils.CheckType(c4d.BaseObject(c4d.Onull)) for obj in allObjects: mg: c4d.Matrix = obj.GetMg() # save the transform of the object obj.Remove() # Technically not necessary in the Python API, as it will do it for you when # you call things like InsertUnderLast. But C++ will not do that and a node # cannot be inserted more than once in a document, otherwise the fireworks # will start. obj.InsertUnderLast(null) obj.SetMg(mg) # restore the transform of the object under the null # Insert the null object into the temporary document and then join all objects under it. temp.InsertObject(null) result: list[c4d.BaseObject] = c4d.utils.SendModelingCommand( command=c4d.MCOMMAND_JOIN, list=[null], doc=temp, mode=c4d.MODELINGCOMMANDMODE_ALL, ) if not result: c4d.gui.MessageDialog("Failed to join objects.") return # Now insert the joined object into the original document. joinedObject: c4d.BaseObject = result[0] joinedObject.SetName("Joined Object") joinedObject.Remove() doc.InsertObject(joinedObject) c4d.EventAdd() if __name__ == '__main__': main()

Hey @WickedP, It did not come across as abrupt or rude, but it was clear that you were a bit frustrated, and I was just trying to make clear that they had to choose some magic number, as that is the nature of rendering an orthographic projection. As to why we chose this number, I have no idea, as this happened 20 years or an even longer time back, long before I was at Maxon. It could either be because programmers simply love powers of two, or something more concrete such as that a power of two leads to less floating precision losses when multiplying other numbers with them, or simply that they did chose 1024x576 as the norm render size then. And you can set the camera width and height, but you just do this in the render settings with the render resolution, which was pretty standard for 3D software I would say. The new Redshift camera then uses a more complex model with an actual sensor and fitting the sensor to the render resolution (which I ignored here since you showed us using a Standard camera). Cheers, Ferdinand

Hi @Tpaxep, Welcome to the Maxon developers forum and its community, it is great to have you with us! Getting Started Before creating your next postings, we would recommend making yourself accustomed with our forum and support procedures. You did not do anything wrong, we point all new users to these rules. Forum Overview: Provides a broad overview of the fundamental structure and rules of this forum, such as the purpose of the different sub-forums or the fact that we will ban users who engage in hate speech or harassment. Support Procedures: Provides a more in detail overview of how we provide technical support for APIs here. This topic will tell you how to ask good questions and limits of our technical support. Forum Features: Provides an overview of the technical features of this forum, such as Markdown markup or file uploads. It is strongly recommended to read the first two topics carefully, especially the section Support Procedures: How to Ask Questions. About your First Question The tool has indeed been updated, but the docs were not. Here is how to call it. Note that you have to pass a polygon index, this is mandatory and it needs to be adjacent to one of the vertex to indicate a direction of the ring selection. Here is your script adapted, to be run on a sphere that was made editable. import c4d from c4d import utils def select_ring_edge(obj, v1Id, v2Id, polyId): bc = c4d.BaseContainer() bc.SetData(c4d.MDATA_RING_SEL_STOP_AT_SELECTIONS, False) bc.SetData(c4d.MDATA_RING_SEL_STOP_AT_NON_QUADS, False) bc.SetData(c4d.MDATA_RING_SEL_STOP_AT_POLES, True) bc.SetData(c4d.MDATA_RING_BOTH_SIDES, False) bc.SetData(c4d.MDATA_RING_SWAP_SIDES, False) bc.SetData(c4d.MDATA_RING_FIRST_VERTEX, v1Id) bc.SetData(c4d.MDATA_RING_SECOND_VERTEX, v2Id) bc.SetData(c4d.MDATA_RING_POLYGON_INDEX, polyId) bc.SetData(c4d.MDATA_RING_SELECTION, c4d.SELECTION_NEW) result = c4d.utils.SendModelingCommand( command=c4d.ID_MODELING_RING_TOOL, list=[obj], mode=c4d.MODELINGCOMMANDMODE_EDGESELECTION, bc=bc, doc=c4d.documents.GetActiveDocument(), flags=c4d.MODELINGCOMMANDFLAGS_NONE ) c4d.EventAdd() return result def main(): doc = c4d.documents.GetActiveDocument() obj = doc.GetActiveObject() if obj is None: c4d.gui.MessageDialog("select obj.") return firstVertex = 346 secondVertex = 347 polygonIndex = 312 result = select_ring_edge(obj, firstVertex, secondVertex, polygonIndex) if result: print("DONE") else: print("ERROR") if __name__ == '__main__': main() Note that the same settings also apply for the ID_MODELING_LOOP_TOOL, just modify RING by LOOP in the constant so MDATA_RING_SEL_STOP_AT_SELECTIONS become MDATA_LOOP_SEL_STOP_AT_SELECTIONS. Cheers, Maxime.

You do not have to do that; I only recommended this for the case when you happen to have to override a dynamic parameter of the same ID with a new GUI/datatype, then you should also set a new default value. But as I said and as you can see here at the Python dynamic description example (in C++ we have a similar one), Cinema 4D will do the bookkeeping for you. Here we read the value of Dynamic REAL 6 at 1106. [image: 1750479817421-4361ae57-21f3-47d2-87e4-84709bf6f809-image.png] Once we have modified the description, in this case removed Dynamic REAL 6, Cinema 4D will update the data container for us and remove the data at 1106. [image: 1750479903921-2712461d-c0c7-4280-96f5-ca9be93dfd8b-image.png] Cheers, Ferdinand

Hey @Dunhou, I am still not 100% clear about what you are trying to do. But I guess what you want to do is distinguish a single-drag -click, i.e., the user is dragging something, from a single click. The issue with that is that we are in your code inside a while loop which just polls the input state as fast as it can and not in message stream, where we only get events for state changes. So, this means unless there is Speedy Gonzales at the mouse, even the quickest of single clicks will produce more than one iteration in the loop. What is still unclear to me why you are doing all this, as knowing that the mouse is outside of the UA does not mean that we know if the user dropped the payload on an object. But this is how I would solve distinguishing a 'light click' (a single click) from a drag event. A cleaner solution might be to let the convenance function InputEvent be a convenance function and move to the source Message. There you should be issue start and stop events for drag operations. But since you want to start it yourself, we are sort of in a pickle. I would have to play around a bit with the code to see if there is a better way with Message, Cheers, Ferdinand def InputEvent(self, msg: c4d.BaseContainer) -> bool: """Called by Cinema 4D when the user area receives input events. Here we implement creating drag events when the user drags from this user area. The type of drag event which is initiated is determined by the drag type selected in the combo box of the dialog. """ # When this is not a left mouse button event on this user area, we just get out without # consuming the event (by returning False). if msg[c4d.BFM_INPUT_DEVICE] != c4d.BFM_INPUT_MOUSE and msg[c4d.BFM_INPUT_CHANNEL] != c4d.BFM_INPUT_MOUSELEFT: return False dragType: int = self._host.GetInt32(self._host.ID_DRAG_TYPE) mx = int(msg[c4d.BFM_INPUT_X]) my = int(msg[c4d.BFM_INPUT_Y]) mx -= self.Local2Global()["x"] my -= self.Local2Global()["y"] state = c4d.BaseContainer() self.MouseDragStart(c4d.BFM_INPUT_MOUSELEFT,mx,my,c4d.MOUSEDRAGFLAGS_DONTHIDEMOUSE|c4d.MOUSEDRAGFLAGS_NOMOVE) lastPos: tuple[float, float] | None = None while True: res, dx, dy, channels = self.MouseDrag() if res != c4d.MOUSEDRAGRESULT_CONTINUE: break self.GetInputState(c4d.BFM_INPUT_MOUSE, c4d.BFM_INPUT_MOUSELEFT, state) # This is how I debugged this, GetContainerTreeString (in the beta it might be already # contained) is a feature of a future version of the SDK. # print(f"{mxutils.GetContainerTreeString(state, 'BFM_')}") # State: Root (None , id = -1): # ├── BFM_INPUT_QUALIFIER (DTYPE_LONG): 0 # ├── BFM_INPUT_MODIFIERS (DTYPE_LONG): 0 # ├── BFM_INPUT_DEVICE (DTYPE_LONG): 1836021107 # ├── BFM_INPUT_CHANNEL (DTYPE_LONG): 1 # ├── BFM_INPUT_VALUE (DTYPE_LONG): 1 # ├── BFM_INPUT_VALUE_REAL (DTYPE_REAL): 0.0001 # ├── BFM_INPUT_X (DTYPE_REAL): 203.13671875 # ├── BFM_INPUT_Y (DTYPE_REAL): 88.0390625 # ├── BFM_INPUT_Z (DTYPE_REAL): 0.0 # ├── BFM_INPUT_ORIENTATION (DTYPE_REAL): 0.0 # ├── 1768977011 (DTYPE_REAL): 1.0 # ├── BFM_INPUT_TILT (DTYPE_REAL): 0.0 # ├── BFM_INPUT_FINGERWHEEL (DTYPE_REAL): 0.0 # ├── BFM_INPUT_P_ROTATION (DTYPE_REAL): 0.0 # └── BFM_INPUT_DOUBLECLICK (DTYPE_LONG): 0 # I.e., we are unfortunately neither being issued a BFM_DRAGSTART nor an # c4d.BFM_INTERACTSTART, I assume both or only emitted in the direct Message() loop. # But we can write code like this. # if state[c4d.BFM_INPUT_DOUBLECLICK]: # print(f"Double click detected at {mx}, {my}") # break # elif state[c4d.BFM_INPUT_VALUE] != 1: # print(f"Mouse button not pressed anymore at {mx}, {my}") # break # else: # print(f"Non double click at {mx}, {my}") # The issue with this is that we are here just in a loop polling the current left button # state, not inside a message function where we get a state stream. So, for a single # click, we end up with somewhat like this, and here I made sure to click really fast # Non double click at 96.8515625, 58.37109375 # Non double click at 96.8515625, 58.37109375 # Non double click at 96.8515625, 58.37109375 # Non double click at 96.8515625, 58.37109375 # Mouse button not pressed anymore at 96.8515625, 58.37109375 # And this is a short drag event. # Non double click at 84.875, 56.5859375 # Non double click at 84.875, 56.5859375 # Non double click at 84.875, 56.5859375 # Non double click at 84.875, 56.5859375 # Non double click at 84.59765625, 56.5859375 # Non double click at 83.49609375, 56.94921875 # Non double click at 83.49609375, 56.94921875 # Non double click at 82.39453125, 57.3125 # Non double click at 82.39453125, 57.3125 # Non double click at 80.74609375, 58.1328125 # Non double click at 80.74609375, 58.1328125 # Non double click at 77.7265625, 58.6328125 # ... # Non double click at -8.35546875, 80.16796875 # Non double click at -8.35546875, 80.16796875 # Non double click at -8.35546875, 80.16796875 # Mouse button not pressed anymore at -8.35546875, 80.16796875 # So they are very similar, and we cannot go by the pure logic "when the coordinates # do not change, we are in a drag event" because this is not an event stream, i.e., we # might poll the same input state multiple times, depending on how fast our #while loop # runs. # But what we could do, is postpone all actions until we see a change. In extreme cases, # where the user is swiping very fast with the mouse and then clicks on a tile, this might # fail. mx -= dx my -= dy currentPos: tuple[float, float] = (mx, my) if lastPos is None and currentPos != lastPos: lastPos = currentPos # The mouse is not being pressed anymore. if not state[c4d.BFM_INPUT_VALUE]: if currentPos != lastPos: print("Drag event") else: print("Click event") break return True Click event Drag event Click event Click event Click event Drag event

Hey @indexofrefraction, Thank you for reaching out to us. The Object Profiler should do what you want to do. [image: 1750425151882-7f8ba2c2-8af1-448e-a0d4-f120e3b91e0b-image.png] It is part of Cinema 4D since 2025.0.0. Cheers, Ferdinand

Hi @ferdinand , We are starting to run here in circles. Please consider applying for MRD as lined out here and via chat. I think that makes sense. I'll apply for MRD right away.

Hey, Please note that both options, a modifier that changes the number of points of its host, and a spline generator that has another spline as an input, are not great. We have internally two cases that do exactly these two things: The bevel deformer and the spline mask spline generator. But third parties do not easily replicate both because they require detailed knowledge of our API and in some cases access to non-public things. For deformers, Ilia already gave a great explanation. In short, if you are not careful, you can crash Cinema 4D. For the other case, a spline generator which takes another spline as an input, you will run into the issue that splines are not intended to have as objects as inputs. This means you are not getting passed a HierarchyHelp in ObjectData::GetContour with which you could ensure that your child object dependencies are up to date (because by default they are being built after you). There are patterns to solve this, and you run here at worst into the problem of a laggy/malfunctioning plugin and no crashes. But I would still advise going down that rabbit hole when avoidable. When you really must do this and now want to go down the spline generator road, I would recommend opening a new topic on that before you start. Cheers, Ferdinand

Hey @ECHekman, Thank you for reaching out to us. @ECHekman said in Getting debugbreak in atom.cpp: Here is how i create the UI // in MyData::GetDDescription() BaseContainer bc = GetCustomDataTypeDefault(DA_CONTAINER); bc.SetInt32(DESC_CUSTOMGUI, CUSTOMGUI_OCIOCYCLE); bc.SetString(DESC_NAME, String(pinInfo->mStaticLabel)); bc.SetBool(DESC_SCALEH, TRUE); description->SetParameter(IDCopy, bc, groupID); That, the GetCustomDataTypeDefault(DA_CONTAINER) call, is illegal code. Check our documentation for the function. It could probably be put a bit more verbosely into the docstring, but: [image: 1749817720636-cb400f4a-9cf9-43eb-83b2-0bd37b7127f8-image.png] DA_CONTAINER is not a resource data type. Which is a fancy way of saying that a C4DAtom parameter cannot be of data type DA_CONTAINER. On line 439 in atom.cpp is no crit stop (at least in the version of atom.cpp for 2025.2.x.yyyyyy I looked at), but on line 476 there is. This is inside C4DAtom::SetParameter, and it gets there the ID of the parameter container of the description element which shall be written, then switches through all the atomic DTYPE_ and when none matches, calls at the end FindResourceDataTypePlugin() on the ID of the parameter container, i.e., what you initialized as DA_CONTAINER. When it cannot find anything there, it raises the crit stop. When you want to have there some OCIO data bundle, you probably should also implement a data type for it. Otherwise you should try DTYPE_SUBCONTAINER. But I am not sure how nicely DTYPE_SUBCONTAINER will play with custom GUIs. In general I would lean towards that writing a container as a singular parameter with a GUI like this is not intended, but you can try your luck. What will work in any case, is implementing your own data type. And to be verbose, a resource data type is a data type that can be used in resources, i.e., res files. Cheers, Ferdinand

Hey @itstanthony, sorry for the delay. So, here is how you could do this. It is not the pretiest solution, but the only that works at the moment for graph descriptions. You could of course also use the full Nodes API to do this. I hope this helps and cheers, Ferdinand import c4d import maxon import mxutils doc: c4d.documents.BaseDocument # The active Cinema 4D document. def CreateMaterials(count: int) -> None: """Creates #count materials with relevant "Store Color To AOV" setup. """ mxutils.CheckType(count, int) for i in range(count): graph: maxon.NodesGraphModelRef = maxon.GraphDescription.GetGraph( name=f"AovSetup.{i}", nodeSpaceId=maxon.NodeSpaceIdentifiers.RedshiftMaterial) maxon.GraphDescription.ApplyDescription(graph, [ { "$type": "Color", "Basic/Name": "Base Color", "Inputs/Color": maxon.Vector(1, 1, 1), "$id": "base_color" }, { "$type": "Color", "Basic/Name": "Metallic", "Inputs/Color": maxon.Vector(0.0, 0.0, 0.0), "$id": "metallic_color" }, { "$type": "Color", "Basic/Name": "Roughness", "Inputs/Color": maxon.Vector(0.5, 0.5, 0.5), "$id": "roughness_color" }, { "$type": "Color", "Basic/Name": "Normal", "Inputs/Color": maxon.Vector(0.5, 0.5, 1), "$id": "normal_color" }, { "$type": "Color", "Basic/Name": "AO", "Inputs/Color": maxon.Vector(1, 1, 1), "$id": "ao_color" }, { "$type": "Color", "Basic/Name": "Emissive", "Inputs/Color": maxon.Vector(0, 0, 0), "$id": "emissive_color" }, { "$type": "Output", "Surface": { "$type": "Store Color To AOV", "AOV Input 0": "#base_color", "AOV Name 0": "BaseColor", "AOV Input 1": "#metallic_color", "AOV Name 1": "Metallic", "AOV Input 2": "#roughness_color", "AOV Name 2": "Roughness", "AOV Input 3": "#normal_color", "AOV Name 3": "Normal", "AOV Input 4": "#ao_color", "AOV Name 4": "AO", "AOV Input 5": "#emissive_color", "AOV Name 5": "Emissive", "Beauty Input": { "$type": "Standard Material", "Base/Color": "#base_color", "Base/Metalness": "#metallic_color", "Reflection/Roughness": "#roughness_color", "Geometry/Bump Map": "#normal_color", "Geometry/Overall Tint": "#ao_color", "Emission/Color": "#emissive_color", } } } ] ) def ModifyMaterials() -> None: """Modifies all materials in the scene, with the goal of removing the "Store Color To AOV" node in material setups as created above. """ for graph in maxon.GraphDescription.GetMaterialGraphs(doc, maxon.NodeSpaceIdentifiers.RedshiftMaterial): try: # Remove a "Store Color To AOV" node from the graph that matches the given AOV names. nodes: dict[maxon.Id, maxon.GraphNode] = maxon.GraphDescription.ApplyDescription(graph, { "$query": { # Match the fist node of type "Store Color To AOV" ... "$qmode": maxon.GraphDescription.QUERY_FLAGS.MATCH_FIRST, "$type": "Store Color To AOV", # ... that has the following AOV names. Graph queries currently do not yet # support nested queries, i.e., query to which nodes a node is connected to. # This will come with the next major version of Cinema 4D/the SDK. "AOV Name 0": "BaseColor", "AOV Name 1": "Metallic", "AOV Name 2": "Roughness", "AOV Name 3": "Normal", "AOV Name 4": "AO", "AOV Name 5": "Emissive", }, "$commands": "$cmd_remove" } ) # At this point we have to cheat a little bit, as the query abilities of graph # descriptions are not yet up to the task of what we would have to do here, as we # would have to query for a node by its type and at the same time set its ID, which is # not possible yet (I will also add this in a future version, but I am not yet sure when). # So what we do, is exploit the fact that #GraphDescription.ApplyDescription() will turn # dictionary/map of id:node relations and we can predict how a Redshift Output and # Standard Material will start (with "output@" and "standardmaterial@"). outputNodeId: str | None = next( str(key) for key in nodes if str(key).startswith("output@")) standardMaterialNodeId: str | None = next( str(key) for key in nodes if str(key).startswith("standardmaterial@")) if not outputNodeId or not standardMaterialNodeId: raise ValueError("Could not find Output or Standard Material node in the graph.") # Now that we have this information, we could either use the traditional Nodes API to # wire these two nodes together, or we can use the GraphDescription API to do this. # Connect the existing Output node to the existing Standard Material node. maxon.GraphDescription.ApplyDescription(graph, { "$query": { "$qmode": maxon.GraphDescription.QUERY_FLAGS.MATCH_FIRST, "$id": outputNodeId, }, "Surface": f"#{standardMaterialNodeId}" } ) except Exception as e: print(e) continue # Some concluding thoughts: This task, although it might look trivial, has actually some # complexities. The main issue is that while we have the quasi-guarantee that there will # only be one Output (i.e., 'end node') in a Redshift material graph, we cannot # guarantee that there will only be one Standard Material node in the graph. # # To truly solve all this, we would need the 2026.0.0 graph query capabilities, so that we # can more precisely select which nodes we mean. # # What occurred to me while writing this, is that it would also be very nice to have a # command like "$cmd_remove_smart" which attempts to remove a node while maintaining the # connection flow, in your case wire the Standard Material node to the Output node. # # In general, this an unsolvable riddle, but many node relations in a material graph are # trivial, i.e., there is only one ingoing and one outgoing connection, so that it would # be easy to try to connect these two nodes together. In your case, deleting the # "Store Color To AOV" node, this would however never be possible as we have here seven # color inputs and one color output. From an abstract API perspective, it is impossible to # determine which one of the seven inputs should be connected to the output, as we do not # have the higher human insight to determine that the Standard Material node is the relevant # node to connect to the Output node. if __name__ == '__main__': CreateMaterials(5) # Create five materials with the "Store Color To AOV" setup. ModifyMaterials() # Remove the "Store Color To AOV" node from all materials. c4d.EventAdd() # Refresh Cinema 4D to show changes

@ferdinand Got it. Thanks you for the tips. Much appreciated

Hello @popandchop, Welcome to the Maxon developers forum and its community, it is great to have you with us! Getting Started Before creating your next postings, we would recommend making yourself accustomed with our forum and support procedures. You did not do anything wrong, we point all new users to these rules. Forum Overview: Provides a broad overview of the fundamental structure and rules of this forum, such as the purpose of the different sub-forums or the fact that we will ban users who engage in hate speech or harassment. Support Procedures: Provides a more in detail overview of how we provide technical support for APIs here. This topic will tell you how to ask good questions and limits of our technical support. Forum Features: Provides an overview of the technical features of this forum, such as Markdown markup or file uploads. It is strongly recommended to read the first two topics carefully, especially the section Support Procedures: How to Ask Questions. About your First Question The question is impossible to answer in this form, we would need something concrete (a plugin and a scene which crashes for you) or a time stamp of a submitted crash report. What you do there is this code snippet looks a bit unusual. I assume from the screen shot that you are inside a GeDialog, the code looks a bit like this could be GeDialog.Command or Message. Please read the Threading Manual, invoking an event, e.g., a command, is forbidden off-main thread. But in a dialog you are usually on the main thread (but you should still check with c4d,.threading.GeIsMainThread()). What is also rather odd, is what you call there: if id == BTN_SceneRenderPictureViewer: self.Close() # This will shut down the dialog, think of it as a return statement. c4d.StopAllThreads() # This is generally the biggest nuke you can drop on Cinema 4D and should # be avoided. But in this context (a dialog that has been closed) this # seems extra dangerous. Why are you doing this? time.sleep(0.1) # This makes things even worse, as it increases the chance that the dialog # has been destroyed before the last line of this function has been # executed. If I had to guess, this is probably crashing here. c4d.CallCommand(12099) I assume you hve a modal dialog and that you run into issues with opening the picture viewer due to that? Either make your dialog non-modal (in GeDialog.Open) and then first send the command and then close the dialog or keep using a modal dialog and detach the code from the instance of the dialog. import c4d class MyModalDialog (c4d.gui.GeDialog): BTN_SceneRenderPictureViewer: int = 1000 # ... def Command(self, cid: int, msg: c4d.BaseContainer) -> bool: if cid == MyModalDialog.BTN_SceneRenderPictureViewer: MyModalDialog.CloseAndAction(self, 12099) return True @staticmethod def CloseAndAction(dlg: "MyModalDialog", cid: int) -> None: """Closes the passed dialog and executes a command. Args: dlg (MyModalDialog): The dialog instance to close. cid (int): The command ID to execute after closing the dialog. """ if not dlg or not c4d.threading.GeIsMainThread(): return dlg.Close() c4d.CallCommand(cid) if __name__ == '__main__': dlg = MyModalDialog() dlg.Open(c4d.DLG_TYPE_MODAL, defaultw=400, defaulth=300, title="My Modal Dialog") Cheers, Ferdinand

Hello @Amazing_iKe, Welcome to the Maxon developers forum and its community, it is great to have you with us! Getting Started Before creating your next postings, we would recommend making yourself accustomed with our forum and support procedures. You did not do anything wrong, we point all new users to these rules. Forum Overview: Provides a broad overview of the fundamental structure and rules of this forum, such as the purpose of the different sub-forums or the fact that we will ban users who engage in hate speech or harassment. Support Procedures: Provides a more in detail overview of how we provide technical support for APIs here. This topic will tell you how to ask good questions and limits of our technical support. Forum Features: Provides an overview of the technical features of this forum, such as Markdown markup or file uploads. It is strongly recommended to read the first two topics carefully, especially the section Support Procedures: How to Ask Questions. About your First Question @Dunhou is right, this, querying for values is not possible with graph descriptions at the moment (querying for nodes is possible to some extent) . What you could do, is use a graph query to select some node over its properties, and then just write its ID. ApplyDescription returns the true nodes of a graph sorted over their IDs. Then you could grab that node you are interested in, get the port you want, and write the value based on the existing value. Or you could let graph descriptions be graph descriptions and just use the low level API directly. You can have a look at the Nodes API examples for some inspiration how this lower level API works. On of the things I am working on at the moment, is extending the query ability of graph descriptions. What I have implemented so far, is nested queries (you can select nodes over them being connected in a specific way), more query operators (<, >, !=, regex, etc.), and something I dubbed query compositions that allows you to query one node property for more than one value, so that can do stuff like checking if something is smaller than 1, AND bigger than 0, AND not exactly 0.5, or that something matches the regex "$foo." OR "$bar.". What has been also added so far, is a new function called EvaluateQuery which allows you to run queries without having to apply a description. But this function also operates on the level that it will return nodes, and not ports or even values. I of course also have thought about this, querying for values directly, but I have not implemented it for now, as you can do it somewhat easily yourself with EvaluateQuery (and to some extent even with ApplyDescription) by just getting the port and then its value. But I understand the alure, maybe when I have time, I will fit in a EvaluateValueQuery. The update was planned for one of later 2025.X releases, but at the moment it looks more like that it will be 2026.0.0. When you need help with the lower level Nodes API, just open a posting here on the forum with what you got. Cheers, Ferdinand