Dear community,

We recently got a non-public support request about handling drag and drop events for a custom image control in a dialog. And while we have shown this, drag event handling, multiple times before, I thought it does not hurt to answer this publicly, as this very case - an image control - is quite common, and it does not hurt having a bit more verbose public example for it.

edit: I have updated this topic with new code and a new video, to also handle outgoing asset drag events, and talk a bit about the pros and cons of different approaches, and what you could do when not implementing a code example as I did here, and therefore have a bit more leverage room when it comes to complexity.

In general, doing all this is possible. It is just that not everything is a ready-made solution for you, where you just call a function. At some point you have to "swim" here yourself, as we cannot write your code for you, but I hope the example helps shedding some light on the probably uncessarily complicated drag handling in Cinema 4D.

Cheers,
Ferdinand

Result

Code

"""Provides an example for implementing a custom control that can generate and receive drag events.

The example implements a dialog which holds multiple "cards" (BitmapCard) that display an image
and can receive drag events. The user can drag images from the file system into these cards (file
paths) or drag texture assets from the Asset Browser into these cards. The cards can also generate
drag events themselves, e.g., when the user drags from a card, it will generate a drag event. 
Showcased (selectable via the combo box in the menu of the dialog) are three drag types:

1. File paths: Dragging a card will generate an image file path drag event, which for example could 
   be dragged into a file path field of a shader, onto an object in the viewport, or onto other 
   BitmapCard controls. The advantage of this approach is that we do not have to create
   materials or assets, but can just use the file path directly.

2. Materials: Dragging a card will generate an atom drag event, here populated with a Redshift
   material that has the texture of the card as an input. This material can then be dragged onto
   anything that accepts materials, like objects in the viewport. The disadvantage of this
   approach is that we have to create a material, and that we have to exactly define how the 
   material is constructed.

3. Assets: Dragging a card will generate an asset drag event, here populated with a texture asset
   that has the texture of the card as an input. This asset can then be dragged onto anything that
   texture accepts assets, such as an object in the viewport. The disadvantage of this
   approach is that we have to create an asset.

   - The example also showcases a variation oof this approach, where we exploit a bit how the
     texture asset drag handling works, to avoid having to create an asset.


Overview:

- BitmapCard: A user area control that can receive drag events and generate drag events itself. Here
              you will find almost all the relevant code for drag and drop handling
- BitmapStackDialog: A dialog that holds multiple BitmapCard controls and allows the user to select
                the drag type via a combo box. This dialog is the main entry point of the example
                but does not contain much relevant code itself.
"""
__author__ = "Ferdinand Hoppe"
__copyright__ = "Copyright 2025 Maxon Computer GmbH"

import os
import re

import c4d
import maxon
import mxutils

# The file types that are supported to be dragged into a BitmapCard control.
DRAG_IN_FILE_TYPES: list[str] = [".png", ".jpg", ".jpeg", ".tif"]

# A regex to check of a string (which is meant to be a path/url) already as a scheme (like file:///
# or http:///). The protocol we are mostly checking for is "asset:///", but we keep this regex generic
# to allow for other schemes as well.
RE_URL_HAS_SCHEME = re.compile("^[a-zA-Z][a-zA-Z\d+\-.]*:\/\/\/")

# A non-public core message which need when we want to properly generate asset drag events.
COREMSG_SETCOMMANDEDITMODE: int = 300001000


class BitmapCard(c4d.gui.GeUserArea):
    """Implements a control that can receive bitmap path drag events and generates drag events itself.
    """

    def __init__(self, host: "BitmapStackDialog") -> None:
        """Constructs a new BitmapCard object.
        """
        # The host dialog that holds this card. This is used to access the drag type selected in the
        # combo box of the dialog.
        self._host: BitmapStackDialog = host

        # The image file path and the bitmap that is displayed in this card.
        self._path: str | None = ""
        self._bitmap: c4d.bitmaps.BaseBitmap | None = None

    def GetMinSize(self) -> tuple[int, int]:
        """Called by Cinema 4d to evaluate the minimum size of the user area.
        """
        return 250, 100

    def DrawMsg(self, x1, y1, x2, y2, msg_ref):
        """Called by Cinema 4D to let the user area draw itself.
        """
        self.OffScreenOn()
        self.SetClippingRegion(x1, y1, x2, y2)

        # Draw the background and then the bitmap if it exists. In the real world, we would have to
        # either adapt #GetMinSize to the size of the bitmap, or draw the bitmap in a way that it
        # fits into the user area, e.g., by scaling it down. Here we just draw it at a fixed size.
        self.DrawSetPen(c4d.gui.GetGuiWorldColor(c4d.COLOR_BGGADGET))
        self.DrawRectangle(x1, y1, x2, y2)
        if self._bitmap:
            w, h = self._bitmap.GetSize()
            self.DrawBitmap(self._bitmap, 5, 5, 240, 90, 0,
                            0, w, h, c4d.BMP_NORMALSCALED)

    def Message(self, msg: c4d.BaseContainer, result: c4d.BaseContainer) -> int:
        """Called by Cinema 4D to handle messages sent to the user area.

        Here we implement receiving drag events when the user drags something onto this user area.
        """
        # A drag event is coming in.
        if msg.GetId() == c4d.BFM_DRAGRECEIVE:
            # Get out when the drag event has been discarded.
            if msg.GetInt32(c4d.BFM_DRAG_LOST) or msg.GetInt32(c4d.BFM_DRAG_ESC):
                return self.SetDragDestination(c4d.MOUSE_FORBIDDEN)

            # Get out when this is not a drag type we support (we just support images). Note that we
            # cannot make up drag types ourselves, so when we want to send/receive complex data, we
            # must use the DRAGTYPE_ATOMARRAY type and pack our data into a BaseContainer attached
            # to the nodes we drag/send.
            data: dict = self.GetDragObject(msg)
            dragType: int = data.get("type", 0)
            if dragType not in [c4d.DRAGTYPE_FILENAME_IMAGE, maxon.DRAGTYPE_ASSET]:
                return self.SetDragDestination(c4d.MOUSE_FORBIDDEN)

            # Here we could optionally check the drag event hitting some target area.
            # yPos: float = self.GetDragPosition(msg).get('y', 0.0)
            # if not 0 < yPos < 50 or not self.CheckDropArea(msg, True, True):
            #     return self.SetDragDestination(c4d.MOUSE_FORBIDDEN)

            # After this point, we are dealing with a valid drag event.

            # The drag is still going on, we just set the mouse cursor to indicate that we are
            # ready to receive the drag event.
            if msg.GetInt32(c4d.BFM_DRAG_FINISHED) == 0:
                return self.SetDragDestination(c4d.MOUSE_MOVE)
            # The drag event is finished, we can now process the data.
            else:
                # Unpack a file being dragged directly.
                path: str | None = None
                if dragType == c4d.DRAGTYPE_FILENAME_IMAGE:
                    path = data.get("object", None)
                # Unpack an asset being dragged.
                elif dragType == maxon.DRAGTYPE_ASSET:
                    array: maxon.DragAndDropDataAssetArray = data.get(
                        "object", None)
                    descriptions: tuple[tuple[maxon.AssetDescription, maxon.Url, maxon.String]] = (
                        array.GetAssetDescriptions())
                    if not descriptions:
                        # Invalid asset but we are not in an error state.
                        return True

                    # Check that we are dealing with an image asset.
                    asset: maxon.AssetDescription = descriptions[0][0]
                    metadata: maxon.BaseContainer = asset.GetMetaData()
                    subType: maxon.Id = metadata.Get(
                        maxon.ASSETMETADATA.SubType, maxon.Id())
                    if (subType != maxon.ASSETMETADATA.SubType_ENUM_MediaImage):
                        # Invalid asset but we are not in an error state.
                        return True

                    path = str(maxon.AssetInterface.GetAssetUrl(asset, True))

                if not isinstance(path, str):
                    return False  # Critical failure.

                if (dragType == c4d.DRAGTYPE_FILENAME_IMAGE and
                    (not os.path.exists(path) or
                     os.path.splitext(path)[1].lower() not in DRAG_IN_FILE_TYPES)):
                    # Invalid file type but we are not in an error state.
                    return True

                self._path = path
                self._bitmap = c4d.bitmaps.BaseBitmap()
                if self._bitmap.InitWith(path)[0] != c4d.IMAGERESULT_OK:
                    return False  # Critical failure.

                self.Redraw()  # Redraw the user area to show the new bitmap.

                return True

        # Process other messages, doing this is very important, as we otherwise break the
        # message chain.
        return c4d.gui.GeUserArea.Message(self, msg, result)

    def InputEvent(self, msg: c4d.BaseContainer) -> bool:
        """Called by Cinema 4D when the user area receives input events.

        Here we implement creating drag events when the user drags from this user area. The type of
        drag event which is initiated is determined by the drag type selected in the combo box
        of the dialog.
        """
        # When this is not a left mouse button event on this user area, we just get out without
        # consuming the event (by returning False).
        if (msg.GetInt32(c4d.BFM_INPUT_DEVICE) != c4d.BFM_INPUT_MOUSE or
                msg.GetInt32(c4d.BFM_INPUT_CHANNEL) != c4d.BFM_INPUT_MOUSELEFT):
            return False

        # Get the type of drag event that should be generated, and handle it.
        dragType: int = self._host.GetInt32(self._host.ID_DRAG_TYPE)
        return self.HandleDragEvent(msg, dragType)
    
    # --- Custom drag handling methods -------------------------------------------------------------

    # I have split up thing into three methods for readability, this all could also be done directly
    # in the InputEvent method.

    def HandleDragEvent(self, event: c4d.BaseContainer, dragType: int) -> bool:
        """Handles starting a drag event by generating the drag data and sending it to the system.

        This is called when the user starts dragging from this user area.
        """
        # This requires us to modify the document, so we must be on the main thread (technically
        # not true when the type is DRAGTYPE_FILENAME_IMAGE, but that would be for you to optimize).
        if not c4d.threading.GeIsMainThread():
            raise False

        # Generate our drag data, either a file path, a material, or an asset.
        doc: c4d.documents.BaseDocument = c4d.documents.GetActiveDocument()
        data: object = self.GenerateDragData(doc, dragType)

        # Now we set off the drag event. When we are dragging assets, we have to sandwich the event
        # in these core message calls, as otherwise the palette edit mode toggling will not work
        # correctly.
        if dragType == maxon.DRAGTYPE_ASSET:
            bc: c4d.BaseContainer = c4d.BaseContainer(
                COREMSG_SETCOMMANDEDITMODE)
            bc.SetInt32(1, True)
            c4d.SendCoreMessage(c4d.COREMSG_CINEMA, bc, 0)

        # When #HandleMouseDrag returns #False, this means that the user has cancelled the drag
        # event, one case could be that the user actually did not intend to drag, but just
        # clicked on the user area.
        #
        # In this case we remove the drag data we generated, as it is not needed anymore. Note that
        # this will NOT catch the case that the drag event is cancelled by the recipient, e.g., the
        # user drags a material onto something that does not accept materials.
        if not self.HandleMouseDrag(event, dragType, data, 0):
            self.RemoveDragData(doc, data)
            return True

        # Other half of the sandwich, we toggle the palette edit mode back to normal.
        if dragType == maxon.DRAGTYPE_ASSET:
            bc: c4d.BaseContainer = c4d.BaseContainer(
                COREMSG_SETCOMMANDEDITMODE)
            bc.SetInt32(1, False)
            c4d.SendCoreMessage(c4d.COREMSG_CINEMA, bc, 0)

        return True

    def GenerateDragData(self, doc: c4d.documents.BaseDocument, dragType
                         ) -> str | c4d.BaseMaterial | maxon.DragAndDropDataAssetArray:
        """Generates the drag data for the given drag type.

        Each tile just encapsulates a file path, but we realize dragging them as file paths,
        materials, or assets. So, when the type is material or asset, the drag data must be
        generated from the file path. Which is why we have this method here.
        """
        if not c4d.threading.GeIsMainThread():
            raise RuntimeError(
                "GenerateDragData must be called from the main thread.")

        # The user has selected "File" as the drag type, we just return the file path.
        if dragType == c4d.DRAGTYPE_FILENAME_IMAGE:
            return self._path
        # The user has selected "Material" as the drag type, we create a Redshift material with the
        # texture as input and return that material.
        elif dragType == c4d.DRAGTYPE_ATOMARRAY:
            material: c4d.BaseMaterial = mxutils.CheckType(
                c4d.BaseMaterial(c4d.Mmaterial))

            # Create a simple graph using that texture, and insert the material into the
            # active document.
            maxon.GraphDescription.ApplyDescription(
                maxon.GraphDescription.GetGraph(
                    material, maxon.NodeSpaceIdentifiers.RedshiftMaterial),
                {
                    "$type": "Output",
                    "Surface": {
                        "$type": "Standard Material",
                        "Base/Color": {
                            "$type": "Texture",
                            # Set the texture. When our source is a file we will just have a plain
                            # path, e.g. "C:/path/to/file.png" and we have to prefix with a scheme
                            # (file) to make it a valid URL. When we are dealing with an asset, the
                            # texture path will already be a valid URL in the "asset:///" scheme.
                            "Image/Filename/Path": (maxon.Url(f"{self._path}")
                                                    if RE_URL_HAS_SCHEME.match(self._path) else
                                                    maxon.Url(f"file:///{self._path}"))
                        }
                    }
                })
            doc.InsertMaterial(material)
            return [material]
        # The user has selected "Asset" as the drag type, we create a texture asset and return that.
        elif dragType == maxon.DRAGTYPE_ASSET:
            # So we have to cases here, either that we want truly want to generate an asset drag
            # event or that we just want to piggy-back onto the texture asset drag and drop
            # mechanism of Cinema 4D, which is what we do here.

            # Code for truly generating an asset drag event, where we would store the asset in the
            # scene repository.
            generateAssets: bool = False
            if generateAssets:
                # Get the scene repository and create an asset storage structure for the asset.
                repo: maxon.AssetRepository = doc.GetSceneRepository(True)
                store: maxon.StoreAssetStruct = maxon.StoreAssetStruct(
                    maxon.Id(), repo, repo)

                # Now save the texture asset to the repository.
                url: maxon.Url = maxon.Url(self._path)
                name: str = url.GetName()
                asset, _ = maxon.AssetCreationInterface.SaveTextureAsset(
                    url, name, store, (), True)

                # Create a drag array for that asset. It is important that we use the URL of the
                # asset (maxon.AssetInterface.GetAssetUrl) and not #url or asset.GetUrl(), as both
                # are physical file paths, and will then cause the drag and drop handling to use
                # these physical files, including the popup asking for wether the file should be
                # copied. We will exploit exactly this behavior in the second case.
                dragArray: maxon.DragAndDropDataAssetArray = maxon.DragAndDropDataAssetArray()
                dragArray.SetLookupRepository(repo)
                dragArray.SetAssetDescriptions((
                    (asset, maxon.AssetInterface.GetAssetUrl(asset, True), maxon.String(name)),
                ))

                return dragArray
            # With this case we can piggy-back onto the existing drag and drop texture asset
            # handling of Cinema 4D, without actually having to create an asset. THIS IS A
            # WORKAROUND, we could decide at any moment to change how the drag and drop
            # handling of assets works, possibly rendering this approach obsolete.
            else:
                # The slight disadvantage of this approach (besides it being a hack and us possibly
                # removing it at some point) is that we have to pay the download cost of
                # #self._host._dummyAssetId once. I.e., the user has to download that texture once
                # either by using it in the Asset Browser or by running this code. Once the asset has
                # been cached, this will not happen again.
                #
                # But since we search below in a 'whoever comes first' manner, what is the first
                # texture asset could change, and this could then be an asset which has not been
                # downloaded yet. So, in a more robust world we would pick a fixed asset below. But
                # this comes then with the burden of maintenance, as we could remove one of the
                # builtin texture assets at any time. So, the super advanced solution would be to
                # ship the plugin with its own asset database, and mount and use that. Here we could
                # use a hard-coded asset ID, and would have to have never pay download costs, as
                # the repository would be local.

                # Find the asset by its Id, which we have stored in the dialog.
                repo: maxon.AssetRepositoryInterface = maxon.AssetInterface.GetUserPrefsRepository()
                dummy: maxon.AssetDescription = repo.FindLatestAsset(
                    maxon.AssetTypes.File().GetId(), self._host._dummyAssetId, maxon.Id(),
                    maxon.ASSET_FIND_MODE.LATEST)

                # Setup the drag array with the asset. Note that #asset must be a valid texture
                # asset, so just passing maxon.AssetDescription() will not work. But the backend
                # for drag and drop handling will actually ignore the asset except for type checking
                # it, and use the URL we provided instead.
                dragArray: maxon.DragAndDropDataAssetArray = maxon.DragAndDropDataAssetArray()
                dragArray.SetLookupRepository(repo)
                dragArray.SetAssetDescriptions((
                    (dummy, maxon.Url(self._path), maxon.String(os.path.basename(self._path))),
                ))
            return dragArray
        else:
            raise ValueError(f"Unsupported drag type: {dragType}")

    def RemoveDragData(self, doc: c4d.documents.BaseDocument,
                       data: str | list[c4d.BaseMaterial] | maxon.DragAndDropDataAssetArray) -> bool:
        """Removes generated content when the user cancels a drag event.

        Sometimes the user starts a drag event, but then cancels it, e.g., by pressing the
        escape key. In this case, we have to remove the generated content, e.g., the material or
        asset that we created for the drag event.
        """
        if not c4d.threading.GeIsMainThread():
            return False

        if isinstance(data, list):
            # Remove the dragged materials from the document. Since we are always generating a new
            # material, we can just remove them. That is in general probably not the best design,
            # and a real world application should avoid duplicating materials.
            for item in data:
                if isinstance(item, c4d.BaseList2D):
                    item.Remove()
        elif isinstance(data, str):
            # Here we could technically remove a file.
            pass
        elif isinstance(data, maxon.DragAndDropDataAssetArray):
            # We could remove the asset, but other than for the material, there is no guarantee
            # that we are the only user of it, as the Asset API has a duplicate preventing
            # mechanism. So, the #SaveTextureAsset call above could have returned an already
            # existing asset. Since we could operate with a document bound repository, we could
            # search the whole document for asset references and only when we find none, remove
            # the asset.
            #
            # We use here the little hack that we actually do not create an asset, to just to piggy-
            # back onto the material drag and drop mechanism of assets, so we can just ignore
            # this case.
            pass

        return True


class BitmapStackDialog(c4d.gui.GeDialog):
    """Implements a a simple dialog that stacks multiple BitmapCard controls.
    """
    ID_DRAG_TYPE: int = 1002

    def __init__(self):
        """Constructs a new ExampleDialog object.
        """
        # The user area controls that will generate and receive drag events.
        self._cards: list[BitmapCard] = [
            BitmapCard(host=self) for _ in range(4)]

        # The id for the dummy asset that used to generate 'fake' texture asset drag events. We
        # search for it here once, so that we do not have to do it in the __init__ of each
        # BitmapCard, or even worse, in the HandleDragEvent of each BitmapCard.

        # We could technically also store here the AssetDescription instead of the Id, but that
        # reference can go stale, so we just store the Id and then grab with it the asset when we
        # need it. Which is much faster than searching asset broadly as we do here. In the end, we
        # could probably also do all this in the drag handling of the BitmapCard, but a little bit
        # of optimization does not hurt.
        self._dummyAssetId: maxon.Id | None = None
        if not maxon.AssetDataBasesInterface.WaitForDatabaseLoading():
            raise RuntimeError("Could not initialize the asset databases.")

        def findTexture(asset: maxon.AssetDescription) -> bool:
            """Finds the first texture asset in the user preferences repository.
            """
            # When this is not a texture asset, we just continue searching.
            meta: maxon.AssetMetaData = asset.GetMetaData()
            if (meta.Get(maxon.ASSETMETADATA.SubType, maxon.Id()) !=
                    maxon.ASSETMETADATA.SubType_ENUM_MediaImage):
                return True

            # When it is a texture asset, we store it as the dummy asset and stop searching.
            self._dummyAssetId = asset.GetId()
            return False

        # Search for our dummy asset in the user preferences repository.
        repo: maxon.AssetRepositoryInterface = maxon.AssetInterface.GetUserPrefsRepository()
        repo.FindAssets(maxon.AssetTypes.File().GetId(), maxon.Id(), maxon.Id(),
                        maxon.ASSET_FIND_MODE.LATEST, findTexture)

    def CreateLayout(self):
        """Called by Cinema 4D to populate the dialog with controls.
        """
        self.SetTitle("Drag and Drop Example")
        self.GroupSpace(5, 5)
        self.GroupBorderSpace(5, 5, 5, 5)

        # Build the combo box in the menu bar of the dialog.
        self.GroupBeginInMenuLine()
        self.GroupBegin(1000, c4d.BFH_LEFT | c4d.BFV_TOP, cols=2)
        self.GroupBorderSpace(5, 5, 5, 5)
        self.GroupSpace(5, 5)
        self.AddStaticText(1001, c4d.BFH_LEFT |
                           c4d.BFV_CENTER, name="Drag Events as:")
        self.AddComboBox(1002, c4d.BFH_RIGHT | c4d.BFV_TOP)
        self.GroupEnd()
        self.GroupEnd()

        # Add the BitmapCard controls to the dialog.
        for i, card in enumerate(self._cards):
            self.AddUserArea(2000 + i, c4d.BFH_LEFT | c4d.BFV_TOP)
            self.AttachUserArea(card, 2000 + i)

        # Add items to the combo box to select the drag type.
        self.AddChild(self.ID_DRAG_TYPE, c4d.DRAGTYPE_FILENAME_IMAGE, "Files")
        self.AddChild(self.ID_DRAG_TYPE, c4d.DRAGTYPE_ATOMARRAY, "Materials")
        self.AddChild(self.ID_DRAG_TYPE, maxon.DRAGTYPE_ASSET, "Assets")
        self.SetInt32(self.ID_DRAG_TYPE, c4d.DRAGTYPE_FILENAME_IMAGE)

        return True


# Define a global variable of the dialog to keep it alive in a Script Manager script. ASYNC dialogs
# should not be opened in production code from a Script Manager script, as this results in a
# dangling dialog. Implement a command plugin when you need async dialogs in production.
dlg: BitmapStackDialog = BitmapStackDialog()
if __name__ == "__main__":
    dlg.Open(dlgtype=c4d.DLG_TYPE_ASYNC, defaultw=150, defaulth=250)

Hi,

thanks for the kind words both from Maxon and the community. I am looking forward to my upcoming adventures with the SDK Team and Cinema community.

Cheers,
Ferdinand

Hello @holgerbiebrach,

please excuse the wait. So, this is possible in Python and quite easy to do. This new behavior is just the old dialog folding which has been reworked a little bit. I have provided a simple example at the end of the posting. There is one problem regarding title bars which is sort of an obstacle for plugin developers which want to distribute their plugins, it is explained in the example below.

I hope this helps and cheers,
Ferdinand

The result:

The code:

"""Example for a command plugin with a foldable dialog as provided with the
Asset Browser or Coordinate Manger in Cinema 4D R25.

The core of this is just the old GeDialog folding mechanic which has been
changed slightly with R25 as it will now also hide the title bar of a folded
dialog, i.e., the dialog will be hidden completely.

The structure shown here mimics relatively closely what the Coordinate Manger
does. There is however one caveat: Even our internal implementations do not
hide the title bar of a dialog when unfolded. Instead, this is done via 
layouts, i.e., by clicking onto the ≡ icon of the dialog and unchecking the
"Show Window Title" option and then saving such layout. If you would want
to provide a plugin which exactly mimics one of the folding managers, you
would have to either ask your users to take these steps or provide a layout.

Which is not ideal, but I currently do not see a sane way to hide the title
bar of a dialog. What you could do, is open the dialog as an async popup which 
would hide the title bar. But that would also remove the ability to dock the 
dialog. You could then invoke `GeDialog.AddGadegt(c4d.DIALOG_PIN, SOME_ID)`to 
manually add a pin back to your dialog, so that you can dock it. But that is 
not how it is done internally by us, as we simply rely on layouts for that.
"""

import c4d


class ExampleDialog (c4d.gui.GeDialog):
    """Example dialog that does nothing.

    The dialog itself has nothing to do with the implementation of the
    folding.
    """
    ID_GADGETS_START = 1000
    ID_GADGET_GROUP = 0
    ID_GADGET_LABEL = 1
    ID_GADGET_TEXT = 2

    GADGET_STRIDE = 10
    GADEGT_COUNT = 5

    def CreateLayout(self) -> bool:
        """Creates dummy gadgets.
        """
        self.SetTitle("ExampleDialog")
        flags = c4d.BFH_SCALEFIT

        for i in range(self.GADEGT_COUNT):
            gid = self.ID_GADGETS_START + i * self.GADGET_STRIDE
            name = f"Item {i}"

            self.GroupBegin(gid + self.ID_GADGET_GROUP, flags, cols=2)
            self.GroupBorderSpace(5, 5, 5, 5)
            self.GroupSpace(2, 2)
            self.AddStaticText(gid + self.ID_GADGET_LABEL, flags, name=name)
            self.AddEditText(gid + self.ID_GADGET_TEXT, flags)
            self.GroupEnd()
        return True


class FoldingManagerCommand (c4d.plugins.CommandData):
    """Provides the implementation for a command with a foldable dialog.
    """
    ID_PLUGIN = 1058525
    REF_DIALOG = None

    @property
    def Dialog(self) -> ExampleDialog:
        """Returns a class bound ExampleDialog instance.
        """
        if FoldingManagerCommand.REF_DIALOG is None:
            FoldingManagerCommand.REF_DIALOG = ExampleDialog()

        return FoldingManagerCommand.REF_DIALOG

    def Execute(self, doc: c4d.documents.BaseDocument) -> bool:
        """Folds or unfolds the dialog.

        The core of the folding logic as employed by the Asset Browser
        or the Coordinate manager in R25.
        """
        # Get the class bound dialog reference.
        dlg = self.Dialog
        # Fold the dialog, i.e., hide it if it is open and unfolded. In C++
        # you would also want to test for the dialog being visible with
        # GeDialog::IsVisible, but we cannot do that in Python.
        if dlg.IsOpen() and not dlg.GetFolding():
            dlg.SetFolding(True)
        # Open or unfold the dialog. The trick here is that calling
        # GeDialog::Open will also unfold the dialog.
        else:
            dlg.Open(c4d.DLG_TYPE_ASYNC, FoldingManagerCommand.ID_PLUGIN)

        return True

    def RestoreLayout(self, secret: any) -> bool:
        """Restores the dialog on layout changes.
        """
        return self.Dialog.Restore(FoldingManagerCommand.ID_PLUGIN, secret)

    def GetState(self, doc: c4d.documents.BaseDocument) -> int:
        """Sets the command icon state of the plugin.

        This is not required, but makes it a bit nicer, as it will indicate
        in the command icon when the dialog is folded and when not.
        """
        dlg = self.Dialog
        result = c4d.CMD_ENABLED
        if dlg.IsOpen() and not dlg.GetFolding():
            result |= c4d.CMD_VALUE

        return result


def RegisterFoldingManagerCommand() -> bool:
    """Registers the example.
    """
    return c4d.plugins.RegisterCommandPlugin(
        id=FoldingManagerCommand.ID_PLUGIN,
        str="FoldingManagerCommand",
        info=c4d.PLUGINFLAG_SMALLNODE,
        icon=None,
        help="FoldingManagerCommand",
        dat=FoldingManagerCommand())


if __name__ == '__main__':
    if not RegisterFoldingManagerCommand():
        raise RuntimeError(
            f"Failed to register {FoldingManagerCommand} plugin.")

Dear Community,

this question reached us via email-support in the context of C++, but I thought the answer might be interesting for other users too.

The underlying question in this case was how to project points from object or world space into the texture space of an object with UV data. I am showing here deliberately an approach that can be followed both in C++ and Python, so that all users can benefit from this. In C++ one has also the option of using VolumeData and its methods VolumeData::GetUvw or VolumeData::ProjectPoint but must then either implement a volume shader (as otherwise the volume data attached to the ChannelData passed to ShaderData::Output will be nullptr), or use VolumeData:: AttachVolumeDataFake to access ::ProjectPoint. There is however no inherent necessity to take this shader bound route as shown by the example.

Cheers,
Ferdinand

Result

The script has created a texture with red pixels for the intersection points of the rays cast from each vertex of the spline towards the origin of the polygon object. The script also created the null object rays to visualize the rays which have been cast.

raycast_texture.c4d : The scene file.

Code

You must save the script to disk before running it, as the script infers from the script location the place to save the generated texture to.

"""Demonstrates how to project points from world or object space to UV space.

This script assumes that the user has selected a polygon object and a spline object in the order
mentioned. The script projects the points of the spline object onto the polygon object and creates
a texture from the UV coordinates of the projected points. The texture is then applied to the
polygon object.

The script uses the `GeRayCollider` class to find the intersection of rays cast from the points of
the spline object to the polygon object. The UV coordinates of the intersection points are then
calculated using the `HairLibrary` class. In the C++ API, one should use maxon::
GeometryUtilsInterface::CalculatePolygonPointST() instead.

Finally, using GeRayCollider is only an example for projecting points onto the mesh. In practice,
any other method can be used as long as it provides points that lie in the plane(s) of a polygon.

The meat of the example is in the `main()` function. The other functions are just fluff.
"""

import os
import c4d
import mxutils
import uuid

from mxutils import CheckType

doc: c4d.documents.BaseDocument  # The currently active document.
op: c4d.BaseObject | None  # The primary selected object in `doc`. Can be `None`.

def CreateTexture(points: list[c4d.Vector], path: str, resolution: int = 1000) -> None:
    """Creates a texture from the given `points` and saves it to the given `path`.

    Parameters:
        path (str): The path to save the texture to.
        points (list[c4d.Vector]): The points to create the texture from.
    """
    # Check the input values for validity.
    if os.path.exists(path):
        raise FileExistsError(f"File already exists at path: {path}")
    if not path.endswith(".png"):
        raise ValueError("The path must end with '.png'.")

    # Create a drawing canvas to draw the points on.
    canvas: c4d.bitmaps.GeClipMap = CheckType(c4d.bitmaps.GeClipMap())
    if not canvas.Init(resolution, resolution, 24):
        raise MemoryError("Failed to initialize GeClipMap.")

    # Fill the canvas with white.
    canvas.BeginDraw()
    canvas.SetColor(255, 255, 255)
    canvas.FillRect(0, 0, resolution, resolution)

    # Draw the points on the canvas.
    canvas.SetColor(255, 0, 0)
    for p in points:
        x: int = int(p.x * resolution)
        y: int = int(p.y * resolution)
        x0: int = max(0, x - 1)
        y0: int = max(0, y - 1)
        x1: int = min(resolution, x + 1)
        y1: int = min(resolution, y + 1)
        canvas.FillRect(x0, y0, x1, y1)

    canvas.EndDraw()

    # Save the canvas to the given path.
    bitmap: c4d.bitmaps.BaseBitmap = CheckType(canvas.GetBitmap())
    bitmap.Save(path, c4d.FILTER_PNG)

    c4d.bitmaps.ShowBitmap(bitmap)

def ApplyTexture(obj: c4d.BaseObject, path: str) -> None:
    """Applies the texture at the given `path` to the given `obj`.
    """
    CheckType(obj, c4d.BaseObject)

    # Check the input values for validity.
    if not os.path.exists(path):
        raise FileNotFoundError(f"File does not exist at path: {path}")

    # Create a material and apply the texture to it.
    material: c4d.BaseMaterial = CheckType(c4d.BaseMaterial(c4d.Mmaterial), c4d.BaseMaterial)
    obj.GetDocument().InsertMaterial(material)

    shader: c4d.BaseShader = CheckType(c4d.BaseShader(c4d.Xbitmap), c4d.BaseShader)
    shader[c4d.BITMAPSHADER_FILENAME] = path
    material.InsertShader(shader)
    material[c4d.MATERIAL_COLOR_SHADER] = shader
    material[c4d.MATERIAL_PREVIEWSIZE] = c4d.MATERIAL_PREVIEWSIZE_1024

    # Apply the material to the object.
    tag: c4d.TextureTag = CheckType(obj.MakeTag(c4d.Ttexture))
    tag[c4d.TEXTURETAG_PROJECTION] = c4d.TEXTURETAG_PROJECTION_UVW
    tag[c4d.TEXTURETAG_MATERIAL] = material

def CreateDebugRays(spline: c4d.SplineObject, p: c4d.Vector) -> None:
    """Adds spline objects to the document to visualize the rays from the given `p` to the points of
    the given `spline`.
    """
    doc: c4d.documents.BaseDocument = CheckType(spline.GetDocument(), c4d.documents.BaseDocument)
    rays: c4d.BaseObject = c4d.BaseObject(c4d.Onull)
    rays.SetName("Rays")
    doc.InsertObject(rays)

    for q in spline.GetAllPoints():
        ray: c4d.SplineObject = c4d.SplineObject(2, c4d.SPLINETYPE_LINEAR)
        ray.SetPoint(0, p)
        ray.SetPoint(1, q * spline.GetMg())
        ray.Message(c4d.MSG_UPDATE)
        ray.InsertUnder(rays)

def main() -> None:
    """Carries out the main logic of the script.
    """
    # Check the object selection for being meaningful input.
    selected: list[c4d.BaseObject] = doc.GetActiveObjects(c4d.GETACTIVEOBJECTFLAGS_SELECTIONORDER)
    if (len(selected) != 2 or not selected[0].CheckType(c4d.Opolygon) or
        not selected[1].CheckType(c4d.Ospline)):
        raise ValueError("Please select a polygon object and a spline object.")

    polygonObject, splineObject = selected

    # Get the uvw tag, the points, and the polygons of the polygon object.
    uvwTag: c4d.UvwTag = mxutils.CheckType(polygonObject.GetTag(c4d.Tuvw))
    points: list[c4d.Vector] = [polygonObject.GetMg() * p for p in polygonObject.GetAllPoints()]
    polys: list[c4d.CPolygon] = polygonObject.GetAllPolygons()

    # We are casting here in a dumb manner towards the center of the polygon object. In practice,
    # one should cast rays towards the plane of the polygon object. Or even better, use another
    # method to project the points onto the polygon object, as GeRayCollider is not the most 
    # efficient thing in the world.
    rayTarget: c4d.Vector = polygonObject.GetMg().off
    CreateDebugRays(splineObject, rayTarget)

    # Initialize the GeRayCollider to find the intersection of rays cast from the points of the
    # spline object to the polygon object.
    collider: c4d.utils.GeRayCollider = c4d.utils.GeRayCollider()
    if not collider.Init(polygonObject):
        raise MemoryError("Failed to initialize GeRayCollider.")


    # Init our output list and iterate over the points of the spline object.
    uvPoints: list[c4d.Vector] = []
    for p in splineObject.GetAllPoints():

        # Transform the point from object to world space (q) and then to the polygon object's space
        # (ro). Our ray direction always points towards the center of the polygon object.
        q: c4d.Vector = splineObject.GetMg() * p
        ro: c4d.Vector = ~polygonObject.GetMg() * q
        rd: c4d.Vector = rayTarget - ro

        # Cast the ray and check if it intersects with the polygon object.
        if not collider.Intersect(ro, rd, 1E6) or collider.GetIntersectionCount() < 1:
            continue
        
        # Get the hit position and the polygon ID of the intersection.
        hit: dict = collider.GetNearestIntersection()
        pos: c4d.Vector = mxutils.CheckType(hit.get("hitpos", None), c4d.Vector)
        pid: int = mxutils.CheckType(hit.get("face_id", None), int)

        # One mistake would be now to use the barycentric coordinates that are in the intersection
        # data, as Cinema uses an optimized algorithm to interpolate in a quad and not the standard
        # cartesian-barycentric conversion. In Python these polygon weights are only exposed in a 
        # bit weird place, the hair library. In C++ these barycentric coordinates make sense because
        # there exist methods to convert them to weights. In Python the barycentric coordinates are
        # pretty much useless as we do not have such a conversion function here.

        # Compute the weights s, t for the intersection point in the polygon.
        s, t = c4d.modules.hair.HairLibrary().GetPolyPointST(
            pos, points[polys[pid].a], points[polys[pid].b],
                 points[polys[pid].c], points[polys[pid].d], True)

        # Get the uv polygon and bilinearly interpolate the coordinates using the weights. It would
        # be better to use the more low-level variable tag data access functions in VariableTag 
        # than UvwTag.GetSlow() in a real-world scenario.
        uvw: list[c4d.Vector] = list(uvwTag.GetSlow(pid).values())
        t0: c4d.Vector = c4d.utils.MixVec(uvw[0], uvw[1], s)
        t1: c4d.Vector = c4d.utils.MixVec(uvw[3], uvw[2], s)
        uv: c4d.Vector = c4d.utils.MixVec(t0, t1, t)

        # Append the UV coordinates to the output list.
        uvPoints.append(uv)

    # Write the UV coordinates to a texture and apply it to the polygon object.
    path: str = os.path.join(os.path.dirname(__file__), f"image-{uuid.uuid4()}.png")
    CreateTexture(uvPoints, path, resolution=1024)
    ApplyTexture(polygonObject, path)

    c4d.EventAdd()


if __name__ == '__main__':
    main()

Hi,

that your script is not working has not anything to do with pseudo decimals, but the fact that you are treating numbers as strings (which is generally a bad idea) in a not very careful manner. When you truncate the string representation of a number which is represented in scientific notation (with an exponent), then you also truncate that exponent and therefor change the value of the number.

To truncate a float you can either take the floor of my_float * 10 ** digits and then divide by 10 ** digits again or use the keyword round.

data = [0.03659665587738824,
        0.00018878623163019122,
        1.1076812650509394e-03,
        1.3882258325566638e-06]

for n in data:
    rounded = round(n, 4)
    floored = int(n * 10000) / 10000
    print(n, rounded, floored)

0.03659665587738824 0.0366 0.0365
0.00018878623163019122 0.0002 0.0001
0.0011076812650509394 0.0011 0.0011
1.3882258325566637e-06 0.0 0.0
[Finished in 0.1s]

Cheers
zipit

Dear community,

We will have to touch multiple parts of developers.maxon.net on the 18.01.2024 and 19.01.2024 22.01.2024. This will result in outages of our documentation and the forum these days. I will try to keep the outage times to a minimum and it will certainly not span the whole two days. But especially one task I will do on Friday might take hours to complete and I can only do that on a forum which is in maintenance mode.

Please make sure to download a recent offline documentation in case you plan to do extended development work the next two days. As a result, forum support might also be delayed on these days.

Cheers,
Ferdinand

Hi,

sorry for all the confusion. You have to pass actual instances of objects. The following code does what you want (and this time I actually tried it myself ;)).

import c4d

def main():
    """
    """
    bc = doc.GetAllTextures(ar=doc.GetMaterials())
    for cid, value in bc:
        print cid, value

if __name__=='__main__':
   main()

Cheers,
zipit

Dear development community,

On September the 10th, 2024, Maxon Computer released Cinema 4D 2025.0.0. For an overview of the new features of Cinema 4D 2025.0, please refer to the release announcement. Alongside this release, a new Cinema 4D SDK and SDK documentation have been released, reflecting the API changes for 2025.0.0. The major changes are:

C++ API

• What was formerly has been know as the Classic API has been deprecated in favour of the Cinema API. Alongside this a new cinema namespace has been introduced which contains all the entities which were formerly in the anonymous global namespace known as the Classic API. Plugin authors must adopt their code to this new API, although the changes are not nearly as extensive as for 2024. See the 2025 migration guide for details. Code examples and documentation have been updated to now refer to a Cinema API.
• 2025 uses OCIO as the default color management mode, brings an improved color picker, and made general improvements to the consistency of the OCIO implementation. This had some effects on the underlying OCIO API which are reflected in two new code examples in the OCIO Manual and a new plugin in the SDK.

Python API

• Python also received the update from Classic to Cinema API. But here the change was more of a cosmetic nature confined to the documentation. The c4d package remains the home for all formerly Classic and now Cinema API entities.
• The mxutils package received updates around standardized scene traversal, random number generation, and more.
• Graph descriptions now support variadic ports of arbitrary complexity and explicit port references.

Head to our download section for the newest SDK downloads, or the C++ and Python API change notes for an in detail overview of the changes.

We discovered late in the cycle bugs in the Asset API code examples and OCIO code in the Python SDK. Which is why the publication of the Python SDK and GitHub code examples has been postponed until these bugs are fixed. They should be ready latest by Friday the 13th of September. But the Python online documentation is accessible and error free (to our knowledge).

We had to make some last minute changes to the C++ SDK regarding OCIO code examples. Only the extended C++ SDK contains these changes. The application provided sdk.zip will catch up with the next release of Cinema 4D.

Happy rendering and coding,
the Maxon SDK Team

Cloudflare unfortunately still does interfere with our server cache. And you might have to refresh your cache manually.

When you are not automatically redirected to the new versions, and also do not see 2024.5 in the version selector, please press CTRL + F5 or press CTRL and click on the reload icon of your browser anywhere on developers.maxon.net/docs/ to refresh your cache. You only have to do this once and it will apply to all documentations at once. Otherwise your cache will automatically update latest by 19/07/2024 00:00.

Hi,

you use GetActiveDocument() in a NodeData environment. You cannot do this, since nodes are also executed when their document is not the active document (while rendering for example - documents get cloned for rendering).

Cheers
zipit

Dear development community,

On June the 18th, 2025, Maxon Computer released Cinema 4D 2025.3.0. For an overview of the new features of Cinema 4D 2025.3.0, please refer to the 2025.3.0 release notes. Alongside this release, a new Cinema 4D SDK and SDK documentation have been released, reflecting the API changes for 2025.3.0. The major changes are:

C++ API

• After the introduction of the CMake build system generator in Cinema 4D 2025.2.0, the C++ SDK now only supports CMake as its build system generator. The Legacy Build System is no longer supported. When you have not yet switched to CMake, please refer to our Build Systems manual for more information on how to switch to CMake.
• Updated the required Windows SDK version to Windows 10 SDK 10.0.20348.0. You might have to update Visual Studio and install the SDK via the Visual Studio installer app.

Python API

In 2025.3.0, there is a critical issue with c4dpy that will cause it to halt indefinitely when run for the first time. See the c4dpy manual for an explanation and workaround. This issue will be fixed with a hotfix for 2025.3.0.

• Added features to c4d.documents.BatchRender class, to have more control over render settings, cameras, and takes for a given job.
• Added a suite of new code examples around the subject of dialogs, including both simple beginner examples, as well as more complex examples covering subjects such as dynamic GUIs, value and layout persistence, and using resources to define dialogs and string translations. The new examples all begin with the prefix py-cmd_gui_, see our plugin examples overview for details.

Head to our download section to grab the newest SDK downloads, or read the C++ or Python API change notes for an in detail overview of the changes.

Happy rendering and coding,
the Maxon SDK Team

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Hey @BretBays,

Let me answer a few things, I although I still have the feeling we are not at the bottom of things yet.

So my idea(based off a maya tool used at work) is to be able to select those loops myself with edges, and have it run the interpolation on all the loops at once(well, at once as far as clicking apply once and it does each loop for you).

You can of course implement a point, edge, or polygon loop or ring selection yourself. But my advice would be to use the builtin tool programmatically unless you really have to implement your own tool. Because while a simple loop selection is relatively trivial, a production level loop tool is then quite a bit of work, due to all the edge cases you have to handle.

The issues I am running into is that it seems like working with edge selections is very cumbersome in Cinema. [...] I don't know I just am having a hard time wrapping my head around these concepts in Cinema. Is it possible to pass in an edge ID and work with edge ID's or do you have to go through the polygon info and all of that to get them?

Cinema 4D does not store edges explicitly, as this would unnecessarily increase the size of a scene. One can sufficiently describe polygonal geometry as a set of points for the vertices, and a set of ordered quadruples of point indices for each polygon. This is common practice in 3D applications and called 'indexed face set'. You always have to go through the polygons and points to work with edges. Edges are effectively just a smoke and mirrors convenience feature for end users. One could argue how much front-end wrappers for edges an API requires to be easy to use, but I would say Cinema 4D is there at least okay. You can find helper functions for edges on PolygonObject and SendModelingCommand supports edge selections directly.

In short, for each perceived user edge E_p, exist n 'real' or 'raw' edges for the indexed face set, where n is either 1 or 2 when the is mesh manifold (or larger when non-manifold). If n=1, then E_p is a boundary edge, otherwise it is an internal edge shared by two polygons. This is due to these two polygons having two have opposite winding orders for that shared edge when the polygons are meant to face into the same direction. The following diagram illustrates this (arrows indicate the winding order of the polygons):

a- → -b b- → -e
|     | |     |
↑  P  ↓ ↑  Q  ↓
|     | |     |
d- ← -c c- ← -f

Fig. 1: Two polygons P and Q sharing the user perceived edge E_p defined by the points b and c. The lower case labels denote unique point identifiers in the indexed face set, not a point order within the polygon. The polygon P is defined as (a, b, c, d) and the polygon Q as (b, e, f, c), i.e., a and b are the first vertex of each polygon respectively. The arrows describe the winding order of the polygons.

The global raw edge index is defined as rawEdgeIndex = polygonIndex * 4 + localEdgeIndex. E.g., when P would have the polygon index 2 and Q the polygon index 6, then the user perceived edge E_p would correspond to the two raw edges indices p_bc = 2 * 4 + 1 = 8 (edge bc in P which is the second edge, i.e. local index 1) and q_cb = 6 * 4 + 3 = 27 (edge cb in Q which is the fourth edge, i.e. local index 3).

Here are some code examples and forum posts about working with edges in Cinema 4D's Python API:

• geometry_polgyon_edges_2024: This is the official example script showing how to work with polygon edges in Cinema 4D 2024. It explains how to access and identify edges in a polygon object.
• Select Edges by Length: An example that shows how to select edges based on their length.
• Select Polygons Facing into the Same Direction: Not directly related to edges, but I talk here about the fundamental concept of a winding order, which is important when working with polygon edges.

Cheers,
Ferdinand

Hey @JoelJohera,

it is kind of hard to follow your question and solution, as the former lacks a scene for context and for the latter I am not quite sure what you fixed. But when it works for you I am happy

Cheers,
Ferdinand

Hey @BretBays,

Thank you for your clarification. I think I understand a bit better what you want, but there are still some question marks for me.

The edge loop and ring loop tool work via point indices (and a bunch of other settings). I.e., you set MDATA_LOOP_FIRST_VERTEX and MDATA_LOOP_SECOND_VERTEX and that determines the edge you want to loop (the screenshot above is for toolloopselection.h, the file which defines the loop tool IDs). As I said above, some of the modelling command options can be bit finnicky, but I would help you crossing that bridge when we are there. But we would have to have a foundation we can work on to get started.

Sorting Selections

But from what I understand, you do not primarily want to select loops, but rather sort existing selections into loops, or more generalized: edge strips you consider to be semantically/topologically connected. For something like shown in your screenshot, this is trivial, but a general solution is not. That you have an existing selection is almost irrelevant, it is only slightly easier to solve than the general problem of sorting all edges of a mesh into strips.

I wrote something like this myself a long time ago (while still at university at not a member of Maxon) and struggled quite a bit then to get it right, because you have then to deal with intersecting strips, self intersections of strips, etc. The problem of yours lies generally in the field of topological sorting, which is pretty wide, the concrete term used for the particular problem is often 'edge extraction in mesh processing'. The popular Python mesh processing library PyVista implements for example edge extraction.

If your concrete problem is solvable, depends entirely on how well you define it. For just an given input set of edges, there exist often many solutions. You have to define things like a maximum angle of change between edges in a strip, how to deal with intersections of strips, if you want continuity of non-manifold edges, etc. And even then, you will often end up with multiple solutions. E.g., in the example below, there are three possible ways to sort these edges into two strips (and even more when you do set this conditions to minimize the number of strips). Which can be deemed undesirable.

Implementing an Edge Selection Tool Yourself

I do not understand all details of your tool, but when edge selections are part of it, you could also 'simply' integrate them. Your tool looks currently more like a dialog/command and you could also do it there, but an actual ToolData would be better.

The general drill would be to add a button/mode with which the user can select edges. Once running, you would use c4d.utils.ViewportSelect to get the points/edges the user is clicking or hovering. Once the user wants to commit to a selection, you get the two relevant hoovered points (i.e., edge) and run ID_MODELING_LOOP_TOOL with it. Because you would inspect the user creating the loops one by one yourself, you would naturally know what is a strip in the final selection.

Here are also some hoops to jump through and there might also be obstacles you cannot overcome which I do not see at first glance either (as actual ToolData tools are not very often implemented in Python and therefore a bit niche), but generally this should be possible and this might be less costly than writing a full blown edge extraction solver.

Sorting Edge Selections Without Intersections

If you want to sort edge selections without intersections (or touching), this is relatively easy to implement, you only have to get the selected edges, convert them into point pairs, and then sort them into strips by finding point pairs where one point matches the end of another pair. The problem of this route is that it is pretty much guaranteed not to suffice in real world scenarios.

Cheers,
Ferdinand

Hey @BretBays,

Thank you for reaching out to us. Yes, that is possible but we cannot write the script for you. We can only help you when you make the first steps yourself. You will find all the necessary building blocks in the modeling example scripts.

1. Create a plane generator object.
2. Get its cache to get an editable polygon object. For more complex geometry or in general you could also run MCOMMAND_CURRENTSTATETOOBJECT.
3. The run SendModellingCommand with ID_MODELING_LOOP_TOOL. Sometimes modelling commands can be a bit bumpy ride, when you want to do more niche things. But at the first glance everything you will need seems to be there:

Cheers,
Ferdinand

Hey @WickedP,

As I hinted at above, markers are eternally persistent. I.e., you can unload, load, and modify a scene S or the non-cache* node N in it, the node N will always have the same marker.

The flag you found has a very special purpose and also very misleading documentation (I just fixed that). Each node in a scene must have a unique marker, as otherwise not only BaseLink but also things like undo and more won't work properly when not each node has exactly one marker and each marker exactly one node (i.e., a bijective or 'one-to-one' relation).

But there can be bad actors such as bugs in our codebase or third party plugins which violate that rule. To combat that, Cinema 4D checks the uniqueness of markers of nodes when a scene is being loaded. When it finds duplicate markers, it will open a question dialog, asking the user if he/she wants to repair that scene. When the user says 'yes', only the nodes which had duplicate markers will get a new marker each (so that they are in a bijective marker relation again).

This flag you found will suppress this whole behavior, i.e., it will let you load corrupted scenes as is. I would not recommend using it. I am currently not 100% sure what happens when your LoadDocument call is not DIALOGSALLOWED, it looks a bit like that this check then always never runs (which sounds a bit dangerous).

Cheers,
Ferdinand

edit: okay now I see it, the question dialog part has been commented out, so this runs always without asking the user (and with that also without DIALOGSALLOWED), unless you pass the flag NONEWMARKERS.

[*] Object and other nodes in caches, i.e., the partial scene graph returned by BaseObject::GetCache and generated by ObjectData::GetVirtualObjects, are allocated each time the cache is being built and therefore also have a new marker each time. But you cannot (or better should not) try to build base links, undos, xrefs, etc. for object and other nodes in caches. TLDR: Markers do not work for caches.

Hey @ECHekman,

I currently use INCLUDE Massign in my .res file. However i would like to do this dynamically so that I can change the order at which it is placed in the Material Editor and Attribute Editor. Is there a way to do this?

There is no INCLUDE which you could call programmatically in GetDDescription, but there is Description::LoadDescription. When Cinema 4D is asking you to update a certain part of your description, you could try to call it on your description instance but not with its id, but Massign. This is however very likely to fail or cause crashes, because your description is already being processed, I never tried this myself though.

Another approach could be to allocate a dummy description, then load your resource (e.g., Massign) into that dummy description, to then copy parameters bit by bit into your active/actual description passed into GetDDescription.

But the whole approach of a 'dynamic include' is a bit backwards without context why it has to be this way. Because when you dynamically include something, this also means you have to remove existing data where it shall not be included anymore. Which is possible but unnecessary extra work. Also copying a whole partial description is not a great idea performance wise, GetDDescription is being called a lot.

The better approach would be to just include your partial description in your res file in the a place where it might appear and then dynamically change the parent of that container. As this workflow would be the common dynamic description workflow.

Additionally Also is there a way to hide settings from the Obaselist group or hide settings in the Material Editor but keep them in the Attribute editor?

No, both managers are more or less just a DescriptionCustomGui, they will always show the same data, unless you have access to the implementation (which you do not). When you would implement your own material dialog, with your own DescriptionCustomGui in it, you could mangle what is shown in this particular description view to your liking, there are multiple methods to highlight, filter, and modify a description on that class. To operate this dialog you would then set this description GUI to the material, shader or whatever BaseList2D you want to display, and then either filter or outright modify the description which is being displayed.

Cheers,
Ferdinand

Hey @mogh,

I forgot this thread a bit, sorry. That sounds all very mysterious. When I summarize your issue, I would describe it as follows. I assume that is the gist of it?

I have a workstation and experience there micro- and macro-stutters in the viewport performance. This happens primarily in low performing scenes with a heavy payload. The odd thing is though, that these performance dips only happen on one machine. On other comparable machines I have an an order of magnitude better performance.

This is very hard to debug, but I would say there are two main cases of what could be going wrong.

1. Your GPU is damaged or you use corrupted drivers. Outdated drivers alone cannot explain the numbers you report. It could also be the mainboard, although somewhat unlikely.
2. You have another VRAM intensive app running on this machine. Cinema 4D and this app then play the VRAM memory battle, causing data to be constantly cycled in and out of VRAM, causing the performance dips. But this is somewhat unlikely as you probably would be aware of this.

What I would do:

1. Update all your drivers.
2. Go into Preferences/Viewport Hardware and start dialing knobs to see if you can make a difference. Cinema 4D has unfortunately not a software viewport renderer anymore with which you could do a baseline test.
3. Use a GPU monitoring tool (like MSI Afterburner) to see if your GPU is running at full load, or if there are spikes in VRAM usage. There are also more fancy tools with which you can monitor memory allocations over time.
4. Run GPU tests such as FurMark or 3DMark to see if your GPU behaves stable there.
5. Install a different GPU (not fun to do, but the best way to rule out hardware issues).

There could also be a bug in Cinema 4D but with numbers as shown below that strikes me as a very unlikely cause. This sounds more like damaged hardware or a really nasty driver issue.

• laptop with ~60 FPS (Quadro 2000)
• on my workstation with ~8 FPS (RTX 3090)

Cheers,
Ferdinand

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About your First Question

Do you really mean you are on R25? Or do you mean you are on 2025? Anyway, please share an example scene and the code you have so far. Otherwise we won't be able to help you.

Cheers,
Ferdinand

FYI, I have not overlooked this question here. Will post an answer soon(ish).

Hey @moghurt,

this is on our radar, but I cannot give an ETA when this will be auotmated.

Cheers,
Ferdinand